Published on the 'Messa in Latino' blog and mainly about his new book, the interview was abruptly taken down by Google along with the blog. The full interview is published here in English.
Having been born after vatican ii, i have only known the novus ordo. Since then i have learned of the traditional latin rite mass, the various eastern rite masses like the maronite which seems to be close to the orthodox mass (i find it strange to have the eucharist served with a spoon). I also know there are many liturgical abuses. I have seen the neocatechumenical way masses and many variations of novus ordo masses. The first mass was the last supper, i surmise. I don't know how that was celebrated except by what was described in the gospels (like john the beloved being able to recline at Jesus's bosom during the meal). I guess it's the Holy Spirit's call what qualifies as the "genuine" way to worship. How is the Holy Spirit moving within the Church to have peace and unity among us Christians?
You are correct that the first Mass was the Last Supper, which the Church celebrates as Holy Thursday at Easter. But the Holy Spirit does not exactly qualify the Masses. The one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church does! This was the Church handed down to Peter when Jesus Christ gave him the keys to the Kingdom. And that sacrifice has been going on ever since then. Absolutely amazing. Are you Catholic?
Yes, I am Catholic! I'm sorry it did not come across more clearly, but I do struggle to see how the Holy Spirit is working within the one, holy, catholic, apostolic Church, especially how the Church is in recent history.
I doubt very much the Holy Spirit is confined to a liturgy celebrated in a defunct language. I thank God for the ability to participate in Mass in my native tongue. I also suspect liturgies celebrated in local dialects have been a boon to growth of the Catholic faith in Africa and Asia, for instance.
I agree that the Holy Spirit is not confined to a specific liturgy. Sacramental graces flow even through flawed individuals. But I think the growth of faith in those persecuted areas have more to do with knowing what the sacrifice of the mass means. If we understand what our Lord's sacrifice means within the context of the mass, it can be celebrated in any language and we can still appreciate its significance.
Praying that Pope Leo XIV will want to emulate his namesakes Leo XIII and Leo the Great, and not his strangely deficient predecessor (probably the worst since the age of Napoleon).
This is a very encouraging interview; I pray the Holy Father is receptive and acts on these recommendations as soon as possible. Thank you Edward and Fr. Bux!
"He, the Lord, is “the medicine of immortality” and must be adored before being consumed. The delicate medicines are not taken but received with the utmost care. This is essential to faith in the Eucharist, more important than catechesis on Communion."
"...crucial in restoring the lost vertical dimension." (Assuming he means we offer, worship up to God.)
No, no, no! The ONLY vertical dimension in the Eucharist is Christ's presence of Himself, coming to us; He meets us in the Eucharist. He gives us His Word, His flesh & His blood.
God doesn't need our worship. He comes to serve us in this Divinely-instituted Liturgy.
Here we see exactly what is wrong with the Novus Ordo: it is not oriented to the worship of God but to the self-regarding wishes of men. Our obligation to worship God is even denied by DGR! The point is not that God "needs" our worship but that we need to worship God to fulfill our humanity. Christ joins us to Himself in the Eucharist precisely at the point of His offering supreme worship to the Father. That is what the words of Consecration mean: "My Body offered for you..., My Blood poured out for you...." That is why the Eucharistic miracles are bleeding cardiac tissue. This is how Jesus stays with us until the end of time, in the eternal Sacrifice of the Cross, not a convivial commemorative meal.
Thanks for presenting the Fr Bux interview. No idea why it was cancelled. It’s balanced and reasonable.
Harmful to the late Pope's canonisation?
So many NO's are "shows." It hides the glory of the Lord, his whispers to each soul.
A tremendous article. Thanks.
Having been born after vatican ii, i have only known the novus ordo. Since then i have learned of the traditional latin rite mass, the various eastern rite masses like the maronite which seems to be close to the orthodox mass (i find it strange to have the eucharist served with a spoon). I also know there are many liturgical abuses. I have seen the neocatechumenical way masses and many variations of novus ordo masses. The first mass was the last supper, i surmise. I don't know how that was celebrated except by what was described in the gospels (like john the beloved being able to recline at Jesus's bosom during the meal). I guess it's the Holy Spirit's call what qualifies as the "genuine" way to worship. How is the Holy Spirit moving within the Church to have peace and unity among us Christians?
You are correct that the first Mass was the Last Supper, which the Church celebrates as Holy Thursday at Easter. But the Holy Spirit does not exactly qualify the Masses. The one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church does! This was the Church handed down to Peter when Jesus Christ gave him the keys to the Kingdom. And that sacrifice has been going on ever since then. Absolutely amazing. Are you Catholic?
Yes, I am Catholic! I'm sorry it did not come across more clearly, but I do struggle to see how the Holy Spirit is working within the one, holy, catholic, apostolic Church, especially how the Church is in recent history.
I doubt very much the Holy Spirit is confined to a liturgy celebrated in a defunct language. I thank God for the ability to participate in Mass in my native tongue. I also suspect liturgies celebrated in local dialects have been a boon to growth of the Catholic faith in Africa and Asia, for instance.
I agree that the Holy Spirit is not confined to a specific liturgy. Sacramental graces flow even through flawed individuals. But I think the growth of faith in those persecuted areas have more to do with knowing what the sacrifice of the mass means. If we understand what our Lord's sacrifice means within the context of the mass, it can be celebrated in any language and we can still appreciate its significance.
The Church remains the beautiful bride of Christ, the same yesterday, today, and forever. Sinful individuals within that may not be.
Amen, I think you nailed it.
As my philosopher friend says, “ I could agree with you, but then we’d both be wrong.”
Thanks Mr Pentin! Truly appreciated!
Praying that Pope Leo XIV will want to emulate his namesakes Leo XIII and Leo the Great, and not his strangely deficient predecessor (probably the worst since the age of Napoleon).
Thank you Mr Haynes, I am so happy to read this.
This is a very encouraging interview; I pray the Holy Father is receptive and acts on these recommendations as soon as possible. Thank you Edward and Fr. Bux!
"He, the Lord, is “the medicine of immortality” and must be adored before being consumed. The delicate medicines are not taken but received with the utmost care. This is essential to faith in the Eucharist, more important than catechesis on Communion."
Yea!
awesome article.
You may have lost the powers that be at the comment “psychiatric problem“ which I found hilarious and absolutely very likely true
When you poke the hornet nest, prepare to feel the sting which you did, but in very good spirits
I have said on multiple occasions that Edward Penton would make an excellent pope
At 80+ I saw the demise of the Latin mass in shock and hopefully now we’ll see the resurrection of this beloved Liturgy!
"...crucial in restoring the lost vertical dimension." (Assuming he means we offer, worship up to God.)
No, no, no! The ONLY vertical dimension in the Eucharist is Christ's presence of Himself, coming to us; He meets us in the Eucharist. He gives us His Word, His flesh & His blood.
God doesn't need our worship. He comes to serve us in this Divinely-instituted Liturgy.
Here we see exactly what is wrong with the Novus Ordo: it is not oriented to the worship of God but to the self-regarding wishes of men. Our obligation to worship God is even denied by DGR! The point is not that God "needs" our worship but that we need to worship God to fulfill our humanity. Christ joins us to Himself in the Eucharist precisely at the point of His offering supreme worship to the Father. That is what the words of Consecration mean: "My Body offered for you..., My Blood poured out for you...." That is why the Eucharistic miracles are bleeding cardiac tissue. This is how Jesus stays with us until the end of time, in the eternal Sacrifice of the Cross, not a convivial commemorative meal.
Thank you very much for presenting this very interesting interview.
Appreciation and blessings from Sydney Australia